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Post by In_Stereo » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:49 pm

AP wrote:If you mention Cubase in Los Angeles they look at you like Cu what!!!
This is a bit true, I must admit, in my personal experience. I do music for a living in L.A. -- have been for 16 years. Many people here in the "professional" world don't really know much about Cubase. Yeah, I know: Hans Zimmer etc, but I know a lot of successful younger composers and producers here and almost all of them are on the other big name DAWs. This absolutely doesn't mean that Cubase is any better or worse, just that I rarely ever see it used in the professional worlds that I'm in, in Los Angeles. I'm sure some use it -- I just haven't come across them personally. For some reason many just don't really know much about it, and it hasn't permeated the pro market here like the other DAWs have, from my experience.

ALL DAWs have issues, and if you go any forum of any DAW maker you'll see tons of complaints like you do here. Cubase has a good amount it needs to improve from a core DAW perspective (Mac GUI issues, processor efficiency, GUI inconsistencies, automation handling, warping directly in the project window, etc.) - on that I will agree, and I'm hoping it's on the plate extremely soon. But to say "(insert DAW here) is better than Cubase!" is simply not true. They all have issues and all will frustrate you in certain ways. :-)
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Post by Arjan P » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:44 pm

AP wrote:Cubase is number 6 in the top 10 DAWs. Logic is number 5 and Ableton is number 1. Cubase is losing popularity. <> More hits are produced with Logic. If you mention Cubase in Los Angeles they look at you like Cu what!!!
Are you seriously bringing that stuff up as 'arguments'? Stop wasting my time, please..
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Post by AP » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:02 pm

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AP wrote:There's nothing that Cubase can do that Logic can't other than the chord track which I never use.
What, Logic natively supports VST now?

By the way, why don't you just use Logic then? Completely serious question.
I just switched to Logic Pro X. But I might update to Cubase 9.5 and 10 if Steinberg gets their bugs fixed.
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Post by djw » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:28 pm

But why would you still bother to stick with Cubase at all?
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Post by AP » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:25 pm

djw wrote:But why would you still bother to stick with Cubase at all?
There are thousand of Mac users that use both Cubase and Logic. Some musicians use all DAWs. I was using both garage band and Cubase for the past year. I'm just taking a break from Cubase for now.
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Post by -steve- » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:16 am

AP wrote:[...] Cubase is number 6 in the top 10 DAWs. Logic is number 5 and Ableton is number 1. Cubase is losing popularity. In term of feature logic is equal to Cubase. There's nothing that Cubase can do that Logic can't other than the chord track which I never use.

More hits are produced with Logic. If you mention Cubase in Los Angeles they look at you like Cu what!!!
Cubissues or Cufix please...
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Post by AP » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:32 am

SteveInChicago wrote:
AP wrote:[...] Cubase is number 6 in the top 10 DAWs. Logic is number 5 and Ableton is number 1. Cubase is losing popularity. In term of feature logic is equal to Cubase. There's nothing that Cubase can do that Logic can't other than the chord track which I never use.

More hits are produced with Logic. If you mention Cubase in Los Angeles they look at you like Cu what!!!
Cubissues or Cufix please...
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Post by djw » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:36 am

Oh come on, that's just some poll among random people online. You're gonna base your views on some kids who like Ableton?
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Post by jimmys69 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:19 am

Sorry for this vent... I mean not to direct this at any particular person:

Babies will always cry because they can't do things for themselves.

Again, I apologize. But seriously, why be a baby and whine when you have food. If your butt is not wiped in the way you like, well go live with your grandparents.
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Post by Mrhehon » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:09 pm

I was sort of half following this thread and as always it turned into the usual, logic, Studio one, Ableton. etc is better, followed by I´m leaving you Steinberg from forum members that have been saying the same for years.

Then it sort of got a bit arrogant with the “I make my music in LA” but the best yet, using a poll from something called Producerspot.com as the evidence for the claims ….I nearly spat my English tea out when I clicked on that link…..
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Mrhehon wrote:I was sort of half following this thread and as always it turned into the usual logic, Studio one, Ableton. etc is better, followed by I´m leaving you Steinberg from forum members that have been saying the same for years.

Then it sort of got a bit arrogant with the “I make my music in LA” but the best yet, using a poll from something called Producerspot.com as the evidence for the claims ….I nearly spat my English tea out when I clicked on that link…..
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Post by greggybud » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:28 pm

Mrhehon wrote:I nearly spat my English tea out when I clicked on that link…..
Well, you can't beat this kind of logic for the "pro" as quoted:

"Somewhere is a grain of truth because the best music software is also the most popular software used and loved by the majority." :lol:

So again... the never ending frustration with some Steinberg users. Releasing new features vs. fixing bugs/improving workflow and the fact that resources are limited. Are you going to compete with other DAW's and race to the bottom, or are you going to stand out by appeasing more every-day users or professionals who value core DAW functions, bug fixes, and workflow and not compete with 3rd party developers so much?

IMO it's a compromise, and considering how flexible and feature-rich Cubase is, it's a huge task.
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Post by Mrhehon » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:49 pm

Sorry I should have put a comma between the words usual and Logic. Can see how that changes the sentence I have edited it.
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Post by Wolfie2112 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:09 pm

Mrhehon wrote:I was sort of half following this thread and as always it turned into the usual, logic, Studio one, Ableton. etc is better, followed by I´m leaving you Steinberg from forum members that have been saying the same for years.

Then it sort of got a bit arrogant with the “I make my music in LA” but the best yet, using a poll from something called Producerspot.com as the evidence for the claims ….I nearly spat my English tea out when I clicked on that link…..
It is amusing! Especially since they never leave, and are constantly demanding that alleged show-stopping bugs get fixed immediately...or else.

And who really gives a crap if one makes music in LA, that means nothing these days. With the way technology is, the whole world is "LA". I earn a healthy living from Alberta, Canada, eh! And typically receive more musical work than some colleagues in LA :D

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Post by theRoyal1 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:09 am

Logic...lol ya...ok

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Post by claesbjo » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:44 pm

AP wrote:In term of feature logic is equal to Cubase. There's nothing that Cubase can do that Logic can't other than the chord track which I never use.
There is no PLE and no macros in Logic, invaluable tools. No slipping of waveform inside event either. No selective batch render of tracks. I work a lot with Logic, and have done so for + 15 years, and I very much prefer Cubase, with it´s flaws.
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Post by zyguli » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:47 pm

In_Stereo wrote: I know a lot of successful younger composers and producers here and almost all of them are on the other big name DAWs.
1/ Current day "younger composers and producers" usually can't play instruments, including keys, and don't care about Cubase's superior workflow for instrument players - especially for the keyboard players.
2/ They also don't do much of tracking and comping, thus they don't care that their DAW doesn't provide the tools for that.
3/ There are lots of Ableton and FL Studio tutorials on the web and very few Cubase tutorials that would have appeal to the younger generation interested in "making EDM" and "making beats".
4/ Apple brand is big in the US.
5/ There has been no Cubase Pro crack for 8 years. Every other DAW has got it's cracked version. Even if they eventually buy the license, they usually begin with cracked version of their DAW of choice (usually Ableton and FL Studio).

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Post by djw » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:12 pm

zyguli wrote:Every other DAW has got it's cracked version. Even if they eventually buy the license, they usually begin with cracked version of their DAW of choice (usually Ableton and FL Studio).
I kinda wish Steinberg realized this.
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Post by -steve- » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:49 pm

djw wrote:
zyguli wrote:Every other DAW has got it's cracked version. Even if they eventually buy the license, they usually begin with cracked version of their DAW of choice (usually Ableton and FL Studio).
I kinda wish Steinberg realized this.
Of course they realize that, and they make their choice. I don't know of any real data that supports that proposition though.
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Post by silhouette » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:53 pm

God how I hate the word/partial word "Pro". I do wish that Steinberg had not named this edition of Cubase "Pro". There have been so many verbal atrocities committed in this forum under this delusion. How many visual artists or indeed any other kind of artist call themselve a Pro. Perhaps a sex worker at the lower end of the market. Usually the argument runs to a bit of name dropping, braggadocio and all knowingness.

Me? I have used Cubase since God knows when. I use a combination of midi and audio with perhaps a more traditional approach to making music. Not that there is anything wrong with any other creative approach. I can see that Ableton is good for live work and that FL is good for loop based work. All these DAW's have their strengths. However, for me Cubase covers enough ground that I can continue learning and expand into different ways of working in the same DAW. It's versatility is it's selling point for me.

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Post by Stephen57 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:56 pm

As we all should know, a Readers' poll is not a scientifically valid poll; it's a good site and good article, but to say "Cubase is the 6th most popular DAW" is just not a truthful statement. The only way to really make such a determination would be to conduct an actual marketing research poll using methods that generate statistically valid results. That's an expensive undertaking and if conducted by any major enterprise will be highly confidential information, even as the results are translated into its marketing, branding and development efforts.

From the article we can see that Ableton, Cubase, Logic and Pro Tools are likely in greatest use by professional studios and content creators and the others are more in use by emerging, younger artists and boutique shops.

The word "Pro" is smart, since, "Pro Tools" and Logic Pro, when will there be Sonar Pro? :-) I pay more attention to Version numbers that are incremented to reflect, we hope, meaningful development in -- stability, reliability, audio engineering features and creative resources the DAW offers. If Steinberg makes an error in its marketing its that it oversells some attributes, but, oddly, under sells some of its greatest strengths.
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zyguli wrote:
In_Stereo wrote: I know a lot of successful younger composers and producers here and almost all of them are on the other big name DAWs.
1/ Current day "younger composers and producers" usually can't play instruments, including keys, and don't care about Cubase's superior workflow for instrument players - especially for the keyboard players.
2/ They also don't do much of tracking and comping, thus they don't care that their DAW doesn't provide the tools for that.
3/ There are lots of Ableton and FL Studio tutorials on the web and very few Cubase tutorials that would have appeal to the younger generation interested in "making EDM" and "making beats".
4/ Apple brand is big in the US.
5/ There has been no Cubase Pro crack for 8 years. Every other DAW has got it's cracked version. Even if they eventually buy the license, they usually begin with cracked version of their DAW of choice (usually Ableton and FL Studio).
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Post by zooterman » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:53 pm

I threw myself into Logic Pro as my DAW of choice, with some dilly dally-ing in Ableton Live since I own a Push 2.

I can say, holistically, through my experience switching to Cubase was a great move.
Cubase is streaks ahead of those two DAWs in my opinion, if you take the time to learn its powers. Ableton is probably the most popular because you can get away with being quite lazy. Cubase is the opposite - it commands time and effort and frustration as a rite of passage (and lots of reading of the manual) to get the best out of it. But Cubase's best is unmatched - at least by Logic and Ableton.
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Post by AP » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:52 pm

Here are some more polls/surveys from many sources:

https://www.careersinmusic.com/best-daw-2016

The gearslutz poll shows Cubase and logic almost equally popular. One thing is clear, the one window GUI is the way to go. All other DAWs have had this design since their introduction.
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Post by fgimian » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:40 am

Logic still lacks a way to pitch shift a clip in the arrange page in realtime. The time stretching included in Logic is also not as good as Elastique and doesn't include formant preservation.

I also don't believe there's a way to see multiple controller lanes in the piano roll.

Then there's Expression Maps and the fact that Cubase is cross-platform.

Of course, Logic has really nice instrument stacking capabilities (which I hope Cubase gets soon) and a few other little things that we don't have in Cubase.

The lack of pitch shift on the arrange page is actually a showstopper to some of us (i.e. me).

Use what makes you happy, Cubase 9.0.10 is solid here, but I haven't come across the Elastique issues yet, I tend to actually use the Steinberg algorithms (which I like better for many things).
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